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paul manafort for bank fraud and horrible tax evasions. he got 47 months in prison. the reason i use the word stunning which i recognize we can over use in television. it was less than the 19 to 24 years by prosecutors. now, the judge called that recommendation excessive. more than excessive, we are talking about 47 months verses up 24 years. manafort is accused of witness tampering and other court cases. the judge says today manafort lives another blameless life. he's giving manafort credit for the nine months he already spent in jail in solitary confinement. when it is all done, it is just three years behind bars, he also has to pay million of dollars of
fines. you say your fine is going to be the lowest six million dollars and up to $25 million. manafort was convicted of eight financial crimes including bank, tax fraud, hiding foreign bank accounts and this was by a jury of his peers. before manafort was sentenced, he did not express remorse for his crime. he did express remorse for himself and how horrible his life has become. he did not say he's sorry for what he did. manafort's spokesperson spoke outside the courthouse. >> mr. manafort got to speak for himself. i think most importantly what you saw today is the same thing that we had said from day one. there is absolutely no evidence that paul manafort was involved with any collusion with any government official from russia.
>> now, here is what we do know. we do know that manafort has not been charged with conspiracy, we don't have any idea of what mueller have found. today is the first two senten sentencing of manafort. today was in virginia so two separate jurisdictions. he pleaded guilty and witness tampering in d.c. and prison time there could be substantial of ten years, anywhere up to ten years. so, this is obviously going to be the big question. >> joining me now is congressman who sits on the intelligence and oversight committee, i appreciate your time congressman. >> thank you. the look on the face of some of the prosecutors today described by ivan perez who was in the room was astonished, this was not what they expected the sentence to be just under four years, what do you think?
>> yeah, i would agree. i think it was on the low side for sure. the sentencing guidelines are much higher. you know the judge said a couple curious things, one of which was he said the defendant in this case mr. manafort led a blameless life. i didn't understand what he was talking about. mr. manafort is facing two sentence hearings in one week. i don't see how someone living a blameless life end up in this type of situation. >> why do you think the judge did this and accusing prosecutors beginning of this basically using manafort as a pond to get to the president. of course now making a point of saying this is not about collusion. was the judge trying to send a message? >> i am not sure. but, you know i think in this
particular case, you know mr. manafort did not express remorse for his crimes. i am surprised at this sentence, i am also curious about what his lawyer meant at the end when he said there was no collusion with quote on quote, "any russian officials." this was a bookend to a statement that the white house made earlier in the day when they said they were not taking any pardons off the table for mr. manafort. this kind of call and response was a rather curious signal to various people. >> i mean there is a couple of ways to look at it. one way is okay, this is a chairman of a presidential campaign for a now sitting president who's going to prison for defrauding tax of millions of dollars and bank fraud. it is stunning. on the other hand there is this sentence that's in so many ways a slap in the wrist from a
political standpoint, is this a win for trump? >> unclear. there is going to be a second sentencing hearing which is next week. that could involve a sentence up to ten years. just one fact that i would point out about that particular hearing. there was a filing that was made in january inadvertedly revealed mr. manafort had met with a business associate who was connected to the russian intelligence, he actually passed private polling data from the trump campaign to this russian intelligence agent essentially, and apparently that agent in return asked for release on sanctions on russia. that's the clearest evidence of collusion and conspiracy of this whole russian saga.
depending on what happens next week and that particular piece of information in the investigation, that could spell more difficulties for r tthe president. >> what about manafort, that's the closest conspiracy could be the legal term for collusion. could there be more coming? >> possibly, i don't know that the special counsel is going to continue to prosecute mr. manafort beyond the stage. it sounds like he may be done with mr. manafort. however, we don't know where the special counsel is going to go with that very important meeting between kilimnik and mr. manafort. and what other information he has, for instance, who directed mr. manafort to go to that cigar bar and exchange polling data. you don't have to be david
axelrod to know that private data is being given for a reason. >> all right, thank you very much congressman, i appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you so much. >> all right, i want to bring in shim shim shim shim shim shim shim shim shimon -- this was not what anyone expected. i know cnn was in the courtroom. the prosecutors, the astonishment were shown on their faces. >> it became a show, it became about the and then it became a
reaction on the prosecutors than we saw on anyone else. they started seeing signs while the judge was speaking. that was the moment where some of the prosecutors started looking at each other when words like sentences of guidelines were out of whack and the 19 to 24 years were excessive. and for paul manafort he came in, his health is a little bit of an issue, he was in a wheelchair and he spoke for four minutes and he asked the judge for compassion. he was never really remorseful for what he had done. he was sad and upset over the life that he had to live the last nine months and he's been in jail awaiting trial. that was the kind of cover up.
at the end, his eyes were bloodshot. but, certainly at the end you can tell he realized the gravity of all this. his attorney certainly felt that way and they were not expecting a low sentence. in the end, it seems that the judge as you said did have issues with this prosecution and went on the low side here. >> the judge called it excessive, the guidelines of the 19 to 24 years. you call the actual sentence was a joke. >> i standby that, i think it is unjust and unreasonable. i think 19 to 24 would have been excessive. this judge went 15 years below the bottom of that range. that's an enormous deduction. it is hard to conceive a defendant who was more openly flat out and lied at the u.s. government. he tried to tampered with witnesses and lied to mueller and did not express remorse
today. i don't know what kind of message that sends. the other on jubjection that i i routinely see defense. manafort is older and white and wealthy and he's a quasi celebrity. there is a disparity that i think is hard to ignore. >> to that front, you have judge ellis noting that manafort quote "lived a blameless life" and talked about him being a good friend and a generous person. no one knows what's going on in manafort's personal life neither does the judge. he's trying to conpartmentalize what would happen. >> yeah, i mean that was an
astonishing statement for him. it is really hard to under the full counter intelligence story just by looking at the criminal charges alone. i mean what judge ellis was unable to take into account are things that are known to the department of justice of the fbi but did not make it into the courtroom. we know manafort was under surveillance from before the time he entered the campaign. that would require the fbi showing a court that he was working knowingly and acting as an agent of a foreign power in clandestine and intelligent activities. we know the ukraine changed under his watch. these are just little tips of the iceberg. i think it justifies why the house committee need to do an investigation because just looking at the criminal charges
that make their way into court is really the tail end of the bigger story on what russia was doing in this campaign. >> it does seem like the judge back in may have said to mueller's team, you don't really care about mr. manafort's bank fraud. you care what information that mr. manafort can give you that reflects to mr. trump. that's what judge ellis said last spring. that's where he stands now. manafort came out and talked about the last year it has been difficult for my family and i. the person i have been described in public is not someone i recognize. on and on. the guy is in a wheelchair and i understand there is some empathy one can have. there was no i am sorry at all. >> yeah, that blameless life comment was confounding. prosecutors cited that really as
the opposite impact. you know this is someone who has had every advantage of career and education and wealth and was still out there breaking the law multiple federal laws over the period of a decade and almost at an industrial scale. money laundering $65 million is a full-time job for a decade. this is someone who hid that money overseas and brought it back to spend a million dollars on clothing and including that famous ostrich jacket? >> oh yes. >> this is someone who is clearly not remorseful but knew every step of the way that every single step he was taking was wrong. he has worked for some of the most repulsive regime around the world for decades now. i think anyone who heard or sort of looks at manafort as a woe is
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against manafort and he's charged with violations working for foreign government and not registering with the u.s. government and obviously charges of witness tampering. remember this was another case where they felt he was involved in potential witness tampering involving a russian agent, kilimnik of that case. what is significant of this judge, she's got a different take on manafort than judge ellis. she's the judge that threw manafort in jail for violating the conditions of her release for that tampering, there were other allegations there. she threw him back in jail. she has not been the most kind to him like judge ellis. she's a very different take on a lot of that case and the other thing is he's facing up to ten years, two counts that he's facing up to ten years in prison from there. what we'll see is whether or not
she adds additional time to what judge ellis' sentence today. i will give you five more years. judge ellis has a different view of the special counsel team. she has very different understanding of the special counsel investigation because she's been in the middle of the a lot of the classified and intelligence has not come out. >> ellie, just to be clear, she has the ability to sentence him up to ten years. this is important, she also can decide whether that's concurrent or on top of. >> exactly. >> in order words, she can re i rectify what she sees is wrong. >> he can get a max of 14 years of a minimum of frankly what he has right now. >> the most can do is send another 10 years.
i think that's unlikely. i think in her head she will account for this soft sentence. i think she's much less sympathetic. judge jackson proven herself to be a clear-eyed no nonsense judge. i look for her partially remedy of what judge ellis did. the bigger hit was in virginia. he already got a huge cut on that. she can go part of the way fixing it. >> let me ask you because just to be clear when you hear about the meeting at trump tower and you hear about sharing polling data and the link with kilimnik, they say alleged or whatever, russian operative. the bottom line is it would seem there was collusion or conspiracy, manafort would have somehow been involved, he had those links to the ukraine and the platform changed to the rnc,
he was not charged with that. is there any scenario where he was charged later or is this an omission that they don't have eight formal conspiracy case of mueller? >> this is where we are running up against the limitations of these kinds of activities, which is we don't necessarily have crimes that cover them. if he's acting as a russian agent and change ing the platfo of ukraine. this was one of the crimes that he was sentenced for. you know to spell all those things out, this is why i think that these house committee needs to get to the facts under lying it. they may not need these criminal definitions which are quite narrow compares to the national security concerns. i want to add to get to something that shimon said, this is becoming about this one judge. it is important to remember that
the rule of law is not about one judge. he'll be sentenced and go to jail. and, bloomberg news reported that new york attorney general is ready to go a case against him by the state if he gets pardon pardoned. he'll serve justice. i think it is important to remember that before getting discouraged of what happened today. >> are we ever, garret? this is important, this is an unbelievable array of contact with russia. will we ever know why manafort lied or will we ever know the motive and the reasons and what the relationships were or with foreign intelligence? >> so i am going to disagree a little bit with osha here, i normally agree with fully and say i actually do think we are dpoing
going to learn more of the motivation of paul manafort and i am not sure he's necessarily out of the legal woods entirely here. it does seem possible if mueller has sort of one final large over arching conspiracy over the united states, indictment to drop including her members of the trump campaign and other associates and other member of russian intelligence that manafort may be subjected to that. it was notable in manafort's of that 800 page sentencing memo that the special counsel hugh granted dow counsel -- handed down. manafort's attorneys are terrible of redacting documents.
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here is what rudy giuliani says talking about manafort. "i feel terrible the way manafort has been treated, it is not american to keep a man in solitary confinement to try to crack him. he's not a terrorist, the man that's treated this way would not lie." what's your response of this all in that we need to treat white collar criminals differently, mores easily than anyone else. >> when rudy giuliani was the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, he was notorious for his mistreatment of suspects including doing high profile -- with people later released or had their cases dropped. this is his own m.o. when he was a prosecutor being used against somebody like paul manafort which was some of the people that rudy giuliani went against.
manafort is somebody who has a long criminal history of financial fraud and bank fraud and tax fraud. he has pleaded guilty to conspiracy against the united states. he has dictatership dictaterships. this is not what rudy giuliani suggest is a victim of prosecutor. he's got leniency today given of his horrible conduct and the way he's been involved in undermining our democracy. >> matthew, the big question is whether the president will pardon paul manafort. strategically, what do you think he's going to do in eterms of making that decision? does he wait for the mueller report or a slew of indictment or engage of the most power of
pardon? >> we learn to not bet what donald trump is going to do. look, we know from michael cohen's lawyer and his assessment that trump seems to be suggesting or people around the president are suggesting pardons are on the table. he said before and now the president's lawyer that manafort is not a victim of the witch hunt. it is amazing. you steal millions of dollars from taxpayers and you engaged in crimes that enrich yourself and somehow you are the victim here. >> and convicted and admitted, pleading guilty. it is insane. >> yes. >> i just want to put an exclamation point on your point there. >> it is amazing. he's better than the average thief, he's better than stealing money. he stole a lot more than the average thieve does. look, you will see at least talk of pardons coming soon.
if there is smig you fear, the idea of bpardoning somebody rigt now is pretty attractive. don't cooperate, you will get a pardon one day. it is hard to predict with these guys. >> max, it is almost the same amount of prison time for a guy who lied and said he was going to cooperate and kept lying, and a guy who cooperated and is willing to give everything, michael cohen, does not make a great kocooperation to include with. jud he threw the back at the watergate defendant and gave the maximum sentence. i think that's a great role model for a judge to get out the
truth and unravel the conspiracy and clearly judge ellis does not seem to be -- he seems to be having sympathy foreman fort. -- for manafort. >> rod rosenstein made an interesting comment today. here he is. >> the spirit of promoting a cultural integrity, i want to leave you with a wisdom of the ancient proverb. if you know a person's character, consider his friends. >> who is he talking to? >> sort of talking to the president. >> i think there is something remarkable here. paul manafort was not a random associate. he was the chairman of donald trump's campaign. we know he's engaged in a number
of crimes and tax fraud. he represented some dirty regimes around world. he provided internal polling to a man, kilimnik, who's believerbelieved to be a russian agent. a number of them now are convicted or admitted criminals around the president. it does say something of the people that help elect donald trump as president. >> if he had not been crazy or dumb enough or a word you want to use, he would never gotten caught. i guess we are supposed to feel sorry for him that he got caught. thank you both very much. >> republicans are votiing against an anti-hate solution
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i guess they wanted this to be about anti-semetism and con condeming condemmi condemming her. >> erin, i believe they should vote for this. >> this represented omar's offensive comment. this should not be so hard and the house is correct to condemn steve king's remark or condemn representative omar's remark in the same manner. i'm siting here in bethlehem, pennsylvania, this is where he's from. they are patriotic americans and have your loyalty question like that? i can understand why my jewish colleagues would be deeply
offended. they could pass a second resolution condemning white nationalism or islamic phobia. they could have done it, too. everybody should have voted for it. >> right, of course the water gotten muddy. there is always some incredible irony or hypocrisy. kevin mccarthy voted yes but afterwards he said this. >> congress is better than this. please do not make history write about our times of these two years that the most we have done is we had to keep bringing resolution s to tell people tha anti-semetism is wrong.
>> he picks three jewish donors and make a comment about money. this is how the whole thing with congressman omar all started when she says it is all about the benjamins baby, referring to the money. >> i have concerns of what she said but you have to understand it is about her policy view of israel. the reason why she represents a threat and mccarthy does not represent the threat is she's challenging the debate on israel. that's what people are rallying to protect. there was a report that came out in the u.n. late last month that israeli forces killed 189 people during the protest last year in gaza and including 35 children. congress had not discussed that at all. part of the fear of omar is that
she will bring that conversation to the floor. >> republican congressman cheney voted no. for democratic leadership refused to offer legislative language criticizing omar's statement in the strong estimator that party controlled by far left extremist who can't stand up to extremists of anti-semitism. >> i will take what she's been saying with a grain of salt. if they want to stand on steve king, he's been doing it for ten years. they decided oh, wait a second, maybe it is wrong to associate with white nationalists. there is a string of republicans and if we want to go down the line, we have sorrels and matt
gaetz, it can get extremely sour. what nancy pelosi broke here was a fair deal. let's not forget that we have a president who's sitting in the president office who never apologized what he said about charlottesville which was against jews and neo-nazi. this was about politics and making sure that the debate over support over israel does not open warfare with democrats and republicans and it was about politics and it was met with a political solution. >> yeah, i have to say it is ridiculous that we are having all these votes. it would be nice if we can govern policies. >> yes. thanks to all. next new and horrifying images of teenager giving nazi a
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there is a frightening rise in the number of racist and ant anti-semitic incidents in the united states, including among teenagers. anne frank's step-sister met privately with a group of high school students who were photographed giving a nazi salute. more on the battle against rising hate tonight from cnn's sara sidner. >> reporter: high school students from alabama spouting racist and anti-semitic comments, enjoying every minute of it.
>> without the holocaust, what would the world be like? >> we would have white people still. >> jews would be -- >> what are you going to do with them? >> you have to wait until they die off. >> the girl you hear repeatedly saying the n-word sent out a statement on her father's car dealership facebook page. "the horrible, horrible things i said were a terrible attempt to be funny. i'm sorry to anyone that had to listen to the video. i will do everything in my power to be better each and every day." but this is just one example of a rising tide of hate among youth. the same week, thousands of miles away in upscale newport beach, california, high school student, do a nazi salute above a red cup swastika they created. parties with a side of nazi rhetoric seem to be popular with some teenagers these days.
>> what i saw how the combination of ignorance, evil, shock and pueer validation can come together. and what happens is, there's a race to the bottom, because we don't have civic moral leadership in this country that sets a standard as to what's acceptable. >> brian levin is a professor at cal state san bernardino. he and other experts on the subject say there has been heavy recruiting by white nationalist groups in recent years on college campuses and grade schools. the anti-defamation league found in 2017 anti-semitic incidents in k-12 schools increased by an astounding 94%, after nearly doubling the year prior. and the fbi says between 2016 and 2017, reports of hate crimes against jews skyrocketed, up 37%. overall hate crimes reported up
17%. while several white nationalists, kkk and neo-nazi groups are trying to disguise their hateful messages to make it more attractive to the mainstream, levin says the youth are looking for shock and awe that's popular on social media. the behavior isn't just appearing at parties. last month in new york, it appeared on a playground. and a new nazi way to ask for a date to a dance in minnesota. she later apologized. eva hopes she's an antidote to anti-semitism among the youth. she is a holocaust survivor, the step-sister of anne frank, whose story of surviving the holocaust has haunted and inspired the world for more than 70 years. she traveled to a newport beach high school just days after some of its students took part in the incident. she sat down privately with the offending students and their parents. >> i just told them that the nazis did really horrible,
horrible things, not just g gassing jewish people, but even their own disabled people. that was the first experiment with gassing children or people. >> reporter: she survived auschwitz concentration camp at 16. but most of her family were annihilated by the nazis along with 6 million jews. and now more than 70 years after the attempt to exterminate so many human becomes, she's faced with young people who think nazi symbolism is all the rage. >> how hurtful it was for many, many survivors of the holocaust, who have lost millions of their families all over the world, really, you know, i mean, it's -- it is an insult to those people. >> reporter: insult to you? >> yes, insult to me, as well. >> reporter: and lastly, are you afraid, now that you've seen young people doing this over and over and over again here in america, are you afraid for the next generations of people? >> well, there's so much
education going on now and it's got to be improved. it's got to be more and more, and i hope that eventually they will see the light that it is not anymore acceptable. i'm still an optimist, you know? i think it can't go on. i don't -- it must not happen and it will not happen. >> reporter: eva did say she was shocked in 2019 in a highly educated town with highly educated students that incidents like this could still happen. erin? >> sara, thank you. and thanks to all of you for watching. our coverage continues. ity trad? ♪ ah, i'll look into it. [phone ringing] [beep] lisa jones! hey carl, what are you charging me for online equity trades? [nervous laughter] and do i get my fees back if i'm not happy? like a satisfaction guarantee? ugh...schwab! oh right, i'm calling schwab. thanks, carl!
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